ADDRESSING CONFUSION IN B.S.S.

[JACOB EDWARD KING]

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I was raised by Lutheran parents and was confirmed Lutheran up until the age of 14. Shortly before I turned 15 a transformation took place in me and I realized that the Lutheran faith was little more than a dead religion. Needless to say, my natural father was not impressed. He insisted that I attend Concordia College, where I first studied religion officially. I have read many Bibles since then and, in so doing, concluded that the most accurate and reliable version was indeed the Authorized King James version. You may disagree and that is your prerogative; but as for me and my family, we do not subscribe to the use of New Age Bibles — that includes the unauthorized NKJV. I have published my regards concerning Zondervan in my communications here already. Zondervan will not be publishing my material. Now to address your words apart from the New Age scriptures:

You stated: There is a difference between; accepting Jesus and being baptized in water; than being baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Amen. I might add that the burden of proof is upon every Christian who would claim otherwise to establish their view with scripture. He or she will always be wanting for lack of scripture. A baptism is a burial and it is the old man that has died to sin who must be buried afterward. Here we have a splendid example of One Lord, one faith, one baptism: For the immersion of a body that has not died to sin is not nearly the same thing as burying a corpse. Those who are still alive in their sin are only kidding themselves when they undergo a burial ceremony and resurrect themselves in a sinful condition. This is not baptism. They have accomplished little more than receiving a good soaking for naught. Those who have truly died to sin shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and this is that actual baptism of the inward man which is accomplished through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I might add here that there is also evidence provided of GOD whereby the assembly is granted a Witness concerning them that are His:

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.  Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (See Acts Chapter 10, verses 45-47)

Please allow me to break it down:

FACT: On the Gentiles was poured the gift of the Holy ghost. (verse 45)

FACT: The reason Peter knew this to be the case is because [for] they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify GOD. (verse 46) Wherefore it is indisputable that speaking in tongues is evidence of receiving the GIFT (not "gifts) of the Holy Ghost. This is that baptism of fire from on high. It was also at that point that Peter rendered water baptism to the Gentiles, seeing that they had already died to sin and were revived by the Holy Spirit. This is that Witness from on high.

You say: If you have been truly baptized with the spirit of God then you should seek to be led of and taught by the Spirit of God.

Amen. Ephesians Four also reads as follows:
 
11   And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12   For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13   Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14   That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

"For the perfecting of the saints..." seems clear enough. It would be foolhardy to attempt to receive any of this from someone who did not receive the Holy Spirit. How can any be led of the Holy Spirit without the Holy Spirit? But the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers that are indeed what Paul said they were, then these are of the Holy Spirit and have been given for the purpose leadership and edification in the body of Christ.

You say: In the following Paul was referring to the people as carnal not yet spiritual, so he took advantage of the carnal laws keeping order in the church that the Lord might be able to bring them out of the fleshy mindedness into the spiritual. (Suffer not a woman to teach ), apparently there were some who were speaking up in the church out of turn while the minister was trying to teach the newness in Christ.

Apparently so. (Not that this is exactly uncommon.) Howbeit, appearances can be deceiving and for the sakes of the weak, as well as the strong in faith, it is unseemly that a woman should exercise authority over any man in the church at any time. I am of the persuasion that Paul meant exactly what he said when he stated: "Suffer not a woman to teach", but I also believe that he meant this specifically with respect to teaching men. A woman in the body of Christ certainly has enough on her agenda as it is, teaching children and women. Although I agree that the woman is the help meet of the man and that man was not made for the woman but the woman for the man, men are still required of GOD to regard women as the weaker vessels and should not place burdens upon them that are greater than they can bear. Any woman offended by these words needs to check herself. Pride cometh before the falling.

You say: "Paul was simply trying to get order in the church, that those of the new faith could be taught a-right and be replenished by Gods spiritual laws"; but I say Paul was not simply "trying" anything. Paul was indeed establishing the correct, godly order in the body of Christ. I have little reason to believe that he was not met with opposition in the church for this. Doubtlessly, certain in the assembly found Paul's words very trying; but I hardly believe that Paul's directive in claiming that a woman should not usurp the authority of a man in church was merely to try those spirits which were (and are) hostile toward godly authority in the church.

You say that "Jesus came to set the captive free. The women were held into bondage to man under the carnal law of their times." Women today are still held in bondage to men for the same reasons their female predecessors were. Wherefore if any having no neccessity of the flesh would lend themselves to marriage, there will most certainly be trouble in the flesh; whereas those who do not marry, having no neccessity, do better. Jesus certainly came to set the captives free, but inasmuch as two become one flesh every time that they freely join in the flesh, they twain are also in bondage to one another. There are other bonds worthy of receiving in the body of Christ and a quick search of the scriptures will verify this. The apostle Paul even referred to himself as one in bonds even though Paul was unmarried when he made this statement. So by the words of Paul the student learns that bondage is not always a "bad" thing; but if the Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

You say: In the kingdom of God we are neither male nor female, but become as the angels are. Jesus said (repent the kingdom of heaven is at hand). Those that have invited Jesus into their lives are now in the kingdom of God. If we are baptized in the Holy Ghost we are spiritually speaking neither male nor female but spirit. For in the kingdom of God there is no flesh but Spiritual. God calls things that are not into existence as though they are.

Amen. And it is our spiritual duty while we yet dwell in these mortal bodies of flesh and blood that we also submit to the perfect will of GOD, walking in the Spirit and not after the flesh, abiding in the calling wherein we are called, whether female or male, servant or master,  bondsman or free. In so doing, men and women alike learn proper humility before GOD, and likewise grant both genders the proper respect that is due to each, in accordance with GOD's moral law, which the saints of GOD are required of GOD to establish.

You say: This is the spiritual laws of God that were laid down of times of old. We are to seek the Spirit of the Living God in all matters, Now I agree some are not able to set under a woman of authoritatively positions. I once could not; it takes a work of God and self to change some things in our life. Nevertheless, if one chose’s not to set under the authority of a woman, that is entirely up to the individual and God. So I say if there are not enough men attaining to the ability to let Christ be the head; then let the ladies come forth. Never the less come Lord Jesus however you may.

The spiritual laws of GOD have not changed and neither does GOD's moral law change. Neither was the man made for the woman, but the woman for the man. The New Age egalitarian agenda is nothing less than an abomination in the Sight of GOD, opening the flood gates to all manner of spiritual uncleanness and filthy doctrines of devils; hence that spirit of Jezebel still prevails in the churches unto this day and the LORD will verily punish her (Revelation 2) and all them that commit (spiritual) adultery with her. Any man submitting himself under the headship of a woman brings shame upon his own head and consequently represents a complete disgrace to the sanctity and holiness of the body of Christ. If the ladies must come forth to rule over men they surely won't be ladies for long. They might well be women, but they certainly won't be ladies. Evenso, Lord Jesus come. Jezebel get thee hence!

Thus saith the LORD GOD of Israel:

Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him. As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. The LORD standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people. (Isaiah 3:11-13)

Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. (Jeremiah 6:16)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(Romans 3:31)

Check yourself, brother. Who hath bewitched you that you should believe such an abominable lie? You have a duty to fulfill before GOD as a man, if you are a man. Gird your loins and be a man. In other words, get out of that dress and get some pants on! You do verily err in submitting to the headship of a woman if you are a man. The churches of GOD have no such custom. May the LORD JESUS open your eyes that you might receive the full Bible truth.

GOD bless you