THE GODHEAD

[Bro Jake]

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You say: (The Godhead) is the answer.

I agree with you completely in this respect because the Godhead is scriptural. Trinity doctrine is not. The ancient usage of the plural of majesty is an old argument that many trinitarians use to defend false doctrine in a futile effort to support the concept of a schizophrenic GOD. The King James Bible (being the received text in the English language) was largely influenced by the King's English in this translation and the plural of majesty was certainly used in the verses that you cited. Considering that JESUS is King of kings and Lord of lords, I don't begrudge the use of this literary device. Even today the Queen of England (and other royalty) uses this same terminology when giving official speeches addressing the public. It doesn't mean that England has two queens. This "let us" refers to the plural of majesty. It does not refer to "three persons in the Godhead" or any other such doctrine, but rather refers to the Majesty and Glory of the Almighty ONE. GOD was speaking of Himself when He said, "Let us make man in our image". One might even say that He was talking to Himself (not that I rule out that the Angels of the LORD had a hand in creation by His command, at a later time. Even the rocks and the water obey Him). Haven't you ever spoken of yourself when there was no one else around to listen? Yes, I know most people never want to admit that they talk to themselves, even though practically everyone does... After all, we were made in His image. People talk to themselves more than they realize or care to admit; but the scripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1) That said, in the beginning there was only GOD. There was nothing before Him and there is nothing after Him. He made all things. Ultimately, GOD alone, created all things and GOD is verily One in every way. You will never find a single scripture in the Holy Bible that says that GOD is more than one person, or that GOD is more than one GOD, or that GOD is more than one Spirit. Trinity teaches the opposite. Trinity is contrary to the Word of GOD and Trinity is not found in the scripture. That should be the readers' first clue that "trinity" is not a doctrine that is "central" or "essential" to true, Christian doctrine. All sound doctrine can be found in the scripture. If you cannot show me in the scripture where it is written, it is not sound doctrine.

Please Consider the following:

DEUTERONOMY 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

How many people, do you suppose, is this scripture referring to? How many persons (plural) in the GOD head?

In ISAIAH 45 the scripture reads:

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Again, in verse 12, the scripture reads:

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

So angels do what ever GOD commands them to do. How many people, do you suppose, made the earth and how many people created man upon it? How many people do you suppose GOD is referring to in this scripture?

And in verse 21:

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.*

No Saviour beside Him???*

The Son of man was not even born of a woman when this scripture was first written and declared out of the mouth of the prophet Isaiah. Brother, the only way this scripture could be true is if JESUS is GOD HIMSELF! JESUS is SAVIOUR. HE is MESSIAH. There is just no way around it.

ISAIAH 37

16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

You say: You Call Him Jesus but the name Jesus was never in the Bible, Yehoshua was.

Yeshua, Yehoshua, Ieosus, Yaweh... These are names given to GOD in different tongues. I call Him JESUS because that is the name of GOD in the English tongue. English is my language from birth.

You write: Man changed it to Jesus some where after the Book of revelations.

Long after the Book of Revelation (the one without the "s" in the title) was written (in fact, as recently as 1773) the publishing companies that printed the only received text that was legally available in the English tongue, ordained by the King of England, and delivered to the Common People, changed the name "Iēsoûs" to "Jesus". Prior to this, there was no hard "J" existing in any English dictionary. The hard sound of the letter "J" is a fairly new sound in the English language and back in the sixteenth century, the letter "J" was pronounced as we would pronounce the hard sound of the consanant "Y", as in the word "yellowish"... Or even "yew", or "yewish". Not to worry, the man who died on Calvary knows precisely to whom the English speaking barbarians address their prayers and their curses. JESUS is the LORD.

You write: So How can you call him Jesus without sinning; if the word Jesus was never mentioned in the bible.

Easily. "JESUS" is the English pronounciation of the name of Christ. I can call Him Jesus in my native tongue and He will readily accept that from me. He knows who I'm addressing in my tongue and He is gracious and merciful.

You write: The truth is that the name spoken to the Apostle Paul was YAHWEH-YASHA, not Jesus. Remember that the Lord spoke to the Apostle Paul in Hebrew and gave him His name directly. He would have never used or spoken any other name. Paul did not know the name Jesus. The apostles never even heard of the name Jesus.

That might well be as JESUS told the Apostle Paul His name in the Hebrew tongue. There certainly was no such English utterance as "Jesus" back in the days of the Aramaic speaking people; but I do know that my LORD also visited me in the name of JESUS and I verily know that GOD cannot lie. When JESUS visited me it wasn't in the separate forms of three different people. To the best of my knowledge, GOD has never visited anyone in this fashion. It was One Spirit. It was One Lord. It was One GOD... Not three people. This was my experience and as unworthy as I may be, I cannot bring myself to reject this experience and I shudder to even think of doing such a thing. I am not even certain that any flesh alive is capable of uttering the name of GOD precisely as GOD would so perfectly declare it out of His own mouth, but I am persuaded to believe that many have tried. What matters to me most is that GOD knows the heart and He understands my base and imperfect language well enough to answer when I call upon His name, however crude or imperfect my speech may be.

You write: But I still love my Jesus for it is all I have Known him by.

Amen. This same JESUS is also the living Shem of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. GOD is one, sir. The Son of Man is literally the living name of GOD in Person. If you want to shake hands with the Father, prepare to take hold of that nail-scarred Hand. There is no other.

You quote: Mat 12.31 Wherefore I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

You see? This is scriptural. This scripture can be called true doctrine. You will notice that there is no such word as "trinity" written here either. You will notice that there is no such word as "persons" plural here. You will notice that there is no "soulish man" written in this scripture and you will also notice that there is no evidence that GOD is more than one person here.

You write: Jesus, the Son of man, you can be forgiven for speaking against. The Holy Ghost no! There in it self shows two deferent beings.

Yes, it certainly can be forgiven when you hold the truth in unrighteousness if you but only repent. People can say all manner of things against the Person of GOD (Son of man) and be forgiven for this, but to blaspheme the Spirit of the Living GOD also means to reject the Holy Ghost. This thing cannot be forgiven. To say that GOD is not Who He says He is when the Kingdom of GOD is come unto you, or to say that He is the Devil, is certainly blaspheming GOD... And to go to the grave denying His Holy Spirit, even the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, is to blaspheme the Holy Ghost; but how shall any escape such damnation if they reject so great a Salvation? Now this hardly takes away from the fact that Christ is the only Per-Son of the Living GOD and the Father of lights. There is no other. Yet it is evident that the Son of man is also the Son of GOD and that he is in the Father and that the Father is in him also. This certainly doesn't detract from the fact that GOD is one Person, but only further verifies that GOD is one in every way.

You say: Mark 28:19 Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: and that name is Jesus Christ

Check your Bible again. The "name" (not names) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is also the name of the LIVING WORD. The Christ is the Living name in Person and he came to us in the name of the Father because he is the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (See Matthew, Chapter 28 — there is no Mark, Chapter 28) Once again, only one Person... One Spirit... One GOD.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by are and man's device.

17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:

Yes indeed, the ignorance of idolatry certainly has its roots in Pagan theology... So does the Satanic belief in a polytheistic god and a Babylonian god with multi-personality disorder. First and foremost, GOD is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. Christ Jesus, is the Person (singular) of that Spirit and there is none else beside him, says the Word.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them.

Yes indeed. And still, after two thousand years since the appearance of His Person, mankind has been trying to make GOD more than one by rejecting the Living Word. Man is still trying to make GOD in his own image, rather than the other way around, and man is still trying to serve a polytheistic god.

You say: "1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead (Trinity); so that they are without excuse:"

But that is not what the HOLY BIBLE says. The HOLY BIBLE says:

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." (Romans 1:20-21)

You added something there that does not belong. You loosely substituted the word "Trinity" for the word "Godhead", but the Holy Bible does nothing of the sort. The Holy Bible calls it Godhead — not "Trinity" — GOD is one. The Holy Bible says exactly what the Godhead is and the scripture needs no improvement at your hand, or mine. The words, "For the invisible things of him" do not automatically translate to "For the invisible things of them". The words, "even his eternal power and Godhead" do not magically translate to the words, "even their eternal power and Godhead (Trinity)" either. Please quote the scripture precisely as it is written, without adding or taking from it. The Greek word, logos, does not mysteriously translate to the English word, "trinity" in the Holy Bible. The Greek word, logos, translates to the English word, Godhead (singular) — not "trinity" or "godheads" (plural) as you would subtily suggest. GOD is one.

You write:

John Chapter 14
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, Here Jesus says The Father referring to the other, not self, will give you another comforter that (He) may abide with you.

And you state, concerning this scripture: "Here Jesus is calling the Comforter He; referring to another individual or seprate being."

JESUS is GOD, very GOD. You don't have to believe me but you will surely bear the consequences of disbelieving this, says the Word. GOD is not "seprate" from Himself. GOD is NOT divided. Christ was speaking of his own Spirit when he spake on this wise and the scripture makes that perfectly clear to them that are His. I noticed that you skipped verse 18, where Christ, the Person of the Almighty GOD, stated: "I will not leave you comfortless". Trinitarians often do this because they don't want people to think GOD is only one person. In John 14 we read how that the Person of the Father assures his followers that he will pray the Spirit of the Father that He (and he, the Son of man) will give His followers another Comforter (other than the Person of the Father) and that the Spirit of the Father abide with His followers for ever; even the Spirit of truth, which we, who are His, know to be the Holy Spirit and also the Spirit of Christ Jesus. The world certainly is not able to see the Spirit of the Father, and of the Son, because the Spirit of the Father and of the Son is none other than the Holy Ghost; but flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

Continuing....

14.26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you. Whom the Father will send in my name.

Notice the words "Whom the Father will send in my name". You stated it twice, so I think GOD wants you to know that JESUS is the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. JESUS also said, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43) He was talking to the disbelievers who were unwilling to receive GOD's Person.

You say: Whom is referring to the third person, the Holy Spirit a separate being. Not just a spirit but whom (a being).

But the scripture says nothing of the sort. The scripture makes no reference to the Holy Spirit being a "separate person" or a "separate being" from GOD and you will not find a single scripture that does so. The Father is not "separate" from the Son. The Son is not "separate" from the Father. The scripture makes no reference to the Person of GOD being a separate person from the Father either; but JESUS said, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father". Your words contradict the truth of Christ, but my words do not contradict the scripture. I repeat: There is no "Trinity" found in the Holy Bible because "trinity" is a man-made fabrication that never even existed in Christendom until well after the third century. It is strong delusion born of Mithraism. Let me put it to you this way: All of GOD you'll ever see dwells in JESUS bodily. The rest is all creation. GOD was not created. JESUS is GOD, very GOD. If you do not believe that JESUS is GOD, then you are not a Christian.

You quote: 14:28 You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

AMEN. The SPIRIT of Christ is most certainly greater than the Person of Christ and the Spirit of GOD is most certainly greater than the Person of GOD. But why not back up a little on that scripture to verses 17 and 18?

17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Verse 18: "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Uh-oh, what person in the Godhead is he referring to here? Person #1? #2?? Maybe #3??? Who's talking here? It would seem that the Spirit of Christ is the Comforter and the Spirit of the Father also. Did the Son of man not say, "I am the truth"? Once again, we see that these three are one in every way. JESUS isn't talking about the second, or third person in the Godhead here, either. He's speaking of the Spirit of truth which, we read, proceeds from the Father, Who is the Spirit of Christ.

You state: Keep reading and you can find the two talking together with a witness seeing the both. My Father is greater than I. If the Father is greater than the son then there is two separate beings. (Jesus the soulish man). Who later became the quickening spirit. The Father the Spirit man.

I am on my sixth complete reading of the King James Bible from front to back and I have never read any such word as "soulish" in the Book. I am sorry that I wasted my time reading other, New Age Bibles, in my youth, but the past is the past and now I am free from the deception of those New Age lies. Glory to GOD! In the above words, stated in bold, you appear to captitulate to suggesting that Christ "became" the Father at a later time and that this Father ("Spirit man") that Christ became, also became a "quickening spirit".

JESUS is GOD and the LORD GOD had a soul from the beginning. Your words are not wholly scriptural because you blend these vagaries of false interpretation with the scripture to make it say something that it does not. Using adjectives such as "soulish" will not make your words any more true or the scripture any less true. Surely the Father is greater than the Son because the Father is the Spirit of Christ, the Son of man, and the scripture declares that that which was conceived in Mary, the wife of Joseph, is of the Holy Ghost. Christ Jesus, the Son of man, most certainly communed with this Spirit, but this does not make him "separate" from the Father. That "quickening spirit" you mention is none other than the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Ghost, of Whom JESUS is not "separate" from either. If that which was conceived in Mary is of the Holy Ghost, then pray tell, Who, is the Father of Christ? First, and foremost, GOD is a Spirit. All of GOD you'll ever see dwells in JESUS bodily.

15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, (he) shall testify of me:

Amen. And "He" testifies to you this day, that Christ Jesus is the Person of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost! Now you must make a decision concerning this truth because you are without excuse. GOD is not divided and He will not give His glory to another. The Son is not separate from the Father. GOD is one in every way and there is no way wherein GOD is not one. The trinity is false doctrine.

You write:

Here again you see Jesus says whom, referring to the Comforter, Jesus says I will send from the Father The (Spirit of Truth) {He}
Jesus the soulish man; The Father, and He the Comforter.
Baptize them in the name of the
Father the Son and The Holy Ghost
All bear the name Jesus
And yet they are three deferent individuals.

...You say. Now hear ye, the word of the LORD:

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbs 16:25)

You have used these non-scriptural terms, "soulish", "separate person", "individuals" and you have blended them with the scripture; but this does not sway me from GOD's own truth. The Spirit of Christ is indeed the Comforter, but this does not separate Christ from the Father in any way. I rejoice in the knowledge that you confess that all three of these aspects of GOD we have been discussing bear the same name. Remember that. I am saddened that you think this makes GOD three separate individuals. GOD is One and GOD is not divided.

Again you write:

There are three that bear witness in heaven The (Father) (The Word Jesus) and the (Holy Ghost).

Here is what scripture says:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (John 5:7)

Please note that the scripture says "these three are one". The scripture does not say, "and these three are separate." The scripture does not say "and this one is three". Neither does the scripture say "and this one is six"; but the scripture says, (vs. 8) "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Notice the scripture says, "these three agree in one". No matter how you slice it or dice it, GOD is not divided. GOD is not "separate" from Himself. The Person of the Almighty GOD is none other than Christ Jesus, the Son of man. What you have stated here: "There are three that bear witness in heaven..." is only one more example of twisted scripture, fabricated by you, to make your understanding sound correct. Please quote the scripture precisely as it is written in the volume of the Book. The scripture says the witness is in the earth...The scripture says the record is in heaven. Sir, I perceive that you are wresting the scripture to your own destruction.

Again, you write: "1 John 5.3 Jesus said we are all to become one in the Father".

1 John 5.3 says, (and I quote) "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

I will give you this: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (Mark 12:29-30) I just thought it was important to point this out. Why are you making so many errors in your missive? Could it possibly be that you were attempting to hold the truth in unrighteousness?

And you follow with this: John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are. 17:21 That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me. 17:22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

AMEN... NOT "We are three" ... NOT "We are separate individuals.." NOT even "Separate Persons" plural, but "even as we are one". If anything, this scripture should provide ample witness that the trinity doctrine is a lie from the pit. JESUS is the Father in creation and the Son in redemption. GOD is One Person.

You quote: Eph 1.9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself. 10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in (Christ), both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Christ meaning anointed;
There for the Holy Ghost, Christ;
The son, Christ;
God the Father, Christ.

Amen. Now you're moving toward the true light. Christ is verily in the Father and the Father is verily in Christ. These three are one in the self-same Spirit. These three are not mere separate individuals, or persons (plural), but these three are indeed one in the Self-same GOD... These three are manifestations of the only wise GOD; even as that Ancient of days walked through the garden in the cool of the day, even as GOD became a burning bush before Moses, typifying the baptism of the Apostles in the Book of Acts, even as GOD manifests in all signs and wonders. GOD is one, sir.

Isa 62.22 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Isa 65.15 And you shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

You say:"God speaks through His children. So that is why we have the God Head; meaning Trinity and the name we are called by Christians. Jesus loves you.

I am not certain where you made that connection to Trinity. I suggest you look up the word "logos" (Godhead) and discover for yourself what the word "trinity" actually means. You're meandering again. The word "trinity" does NOT equate to the word "logos". The Word is Christ. Look up the word "logos". This is your "Godhead".

You state: "We have all became one in Him. One in family. Christians."

Friend, GOD knows them that are His.

You continue: "7.9 Here in Daniel you can see The Ancient of days is God the Father and in verse 13 the Son of man is Jesus. In Mat 8.20 Jesus calls Himself the Son of man."

There is a scripture wherein Christ refers to himself as the "Son of GOD" also. Do you know where it is? Read John 9. As for the Ancient of days:

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Revelation 1

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

While you're at it, you may wish to look to see how many people are sitting upon that throne in Revelation 4:2 We're looking at the same image (singular) here... The one and only Alpha and Omega... A Singularity... Even that Ancient of days Who walked through the garden in the cool of the day. JESUS is also the Creator.

Next...

7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and (they brought him near before him).

Yes, the Per-Son of the Ancient of days is set down with the Father in his throne (Revelation 3:21):

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." But John the Beloved, in the Book of Revelation, sees one, in Chapter Four, sitting upon that throne; even the Ancient of days. One GOD. One King. One Spirit appearing as that Ancient of days, even the Alpha and the Omega in Person (singular).

7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom,

This is the Christ... The anointed ONE... The only begotten and the only per-Son and express image of the Living GOD. This is that at-one-ment in our LORD and SAVIOUR.

You say: So Daniel sees Jesus the Son of man standing before God the Father the Ancient of days

And I say unto you that Daniel did not see two people seated upon that throne, let alone three. GOD is one. It is written in the volume of the Book: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (Isaiah 43:10-11).

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)