DIALOGUE WITH AN APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL ONENESS PASTOR

[Bro Jake]

Here is a representation of a dialogue that I recently had with an Apostolic Pentecostal Oneness pastor on the telephone in July of this year. Although all the names have been substituted here for fictitious names (for obvious reasons) and the words used are not precisely verbatim, the general idea is preserved and the dialogue is close enough to the original conversation as to keep the meaning of the message quite clear. I will leave it to the readers to judge in themselves which of us actually speaks more truly in this dialogue. Comments are welcome. May JESUS, the only wise GOD, bless the reader in the knowledge of full Bible truth.

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A.A. – Hello Pastor Rufus, I’m so glad you called. Have you seen Becky and the baby yet?

Bro Rufus – “No, Mr. Prince. I went to the hospital and because I did not remember the name of the mother, they did not tell me the number of the room she where she resided so I did not visit her.

A.A. – That’s unfortunate, Pastor Rufus. I thought you knew my wife’s name. I’m sure I told you her name. She wanted to attend church and we were hoping you might take her there because I am so far away right now and very busy with our other little daughter.

Bro Rufus – “Mr. Prince, how can you call this woman your wife? You know, shacking up is not the same thing. Have you married her?”

A.A. – Indeed I have, sir. Our newborn baby should be adequate proof of that; but the witness of GOD is greater than the witness of men. GOD called it two wives and for the present, I have what the LORD GOD called two wives. I thought you understood this.

Bro Rufus – “Mr. Prince, this is not marriage. The mother of that child is not your wife. We are to respect and obey the law of the land.”

A.A. – I beg to differ sir. She is indeed my wife and we are indeed married. GOD called marriage one flesh. Now when a man and a woman unite in the flesh, they marry. GOD cannot lie. Rings, and vows and paper writ do not a marriage make; but GOD called marriage one flesh! You would confuse a marriage for a wedding but I know there is a difference. This is the reason the Apostle Paul admonished the assembly saying, “Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh.” So, you see, Pastor Rufus, a man may marry an harlot although it is not expedient to do so, nor is it lawful in the Sight of GOD; but I married no harlot. I married a virgin.

Bro Rufus – There are many examples in the Bible where men have lain with women and GOD did not call it marriage. Marriage must be in accordance with the laws and customs of the land. You are mistaken, sir. You are required to obey them that have the rule over you. You have no marriage license with this woman. You are not married to her according to the laws of the land and you are not married to this woman according to GOD’s law.

A.A. – Nay, I will say it again, sir. GOD called marriage one flesh. Now the burden of proof is on you to show me where GOD said that every time that those men freely joined with a woman in the flesh that it was not marriage. If you could even give me but one example where GOD said this was not marriage then I would be compelled to believe you, but then I would also have to concede that GOD contradicted his Word. You would have me to believe that all marriage is honourable and it is not. No, not all marriage is honourable but rather marriage is indeed honourable in all and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers GOD will judge. You bring false judgment against me sir. The LORD judge between thee and me. As for the laws of the land, surely you must understand that the law of the land belongs to GOD alone. Wherefore the land is now greatly polluted by the fornication and lies of those who stoop to the licentious act of licensing of marriage, an ordinance of GOD and not an ordinance of Caesar! Jesus did not say to render unto Caesar anything Caesar desires. The only laws we are required to obey are those laws that are not contrary to the Word of GOD. If the case were not so then you would be obligated to honour “same sex marriage” because our law says that we must. But you see this is only another example of how the licentious practice of certifying marriages by secular law instead of GOD’s Moral Law has greatly polluted the land. The customs of the people are vain, sir; but GOD’s Moral Law does not change.

Bro Rufus – Are you telling me that Bro Rufus can go and lay with another woman besides his wife and that it is marriage in the Sight of GOD? That is preposterous!

A.A. – It does not matter what I tell you what Bro Rufus can or cannot do. Bro Rufus can make his own choices for himself. What matters is what GOD called it. But let me ask this thing of you: Are you saying that it is not possible to marry an harlot? Are you saying then, it is actually impossible to commit adultery? That is, are you saying a man cannot marry another man’s wife? If you are telling me this, then you are also calling Christ a liar. GOD cannot lie. He called it one flesh. Now this is marriage in the Sight of GOD. Please remember that not all marriage is honourable. Friend, GOD does not miss a thing. There is no thing that is truly hidden from the Sight of GOD. Marriage becomes fornication when it is not honourable to marry. This is why it is fornication to marry another man’s wife. Jesus called it adultery and you know adultery is fornication. This is why it is fornication to use a marriage license to make merchandise of people and grinding the faces of the poor, buying and selling marriages in courts of law 24/7 around the globe and counting this ordinance of GOD for a light thing. It is a mockery of all that GOD first called good from the beginning. I don’t think GOD wants Sodomites and atheists to rule over His people; rather we must obey them that have the rule over us indeed. Pastor Rufus, do you agree that GOD’s Moral Law does not change?

Bro Rufus – Where are you going with this?

A.A. – I want to see if we are on the same page. It’s a simple question. Do you believe GOD’s Moral Law does not change? A simple yea or nay will suffice. I believe GOD’s Moral Law does not change. What do you believe?

Bro Rufus – Yes. GOD’s Moral Law does not change.

A.A. – Good. Then we are on the same page. Since you have come against me with the law, accusing me of holding the truth in unrighteousness –

Bro Rufus – I am not accusing you of anything. I am just telling you what is true.

A.A. – Well, that is your opinion. I know that GOD’s Moral Law does not change. What was right in the Old Testament is still right to day. What was sinful in the Old Testament is still sinful today. You know this. The laws and the commandments of the ordinances of the Levite priesthood have all been fulfilled in Christ Jesus; but GOD’s Moral Law does not change. You come against me for this because I say that GOD called it two wives. If he called them “two wives” to whom the Word came (and we know the scripture cannot be broken) then how sayest thou that Becky is not my wife because I said that I have two wives? Now I believe that the scripture is the inspired, GOD-BREATHED, WORD of the LORD. Concerning the Sight of GOD, King David did all that which was right in the Sight of the LORD except in the matter of Uriah the Hittite, says the holy scripture. So then: All of those marriages that King David freely consummated before his marriage to Bath Sheba were right in the Sight of GOD. Now we do agree that GOD’s Moral Law does not change. Either we agree, or we do not. GOD knows. Clearly, it is a grievous sin to take another man’s wife in marriage. This is adultery. Yet it is plainly evident that at no time did GOD ever come against any man in all of the scripture for his having more than one wife, or even calling it adultery. Rather, GOD richly blessed such unions, gave specific instructions concerning them, ordained them, approved of them, and not once did GOD call it sin! If you can give me even one scripture where GOD literally states that it is a sin for a man to have more than one wife then I will repent of the entire matter. I freely challenge you to produce one scripture where GOD specifically comes against a man for this, sir. Brother, you cannot produce it because it isn’t there! GOD never calls this a sin, or a transgression, or a wicked deed and GOD never punishes any man in all the holy scripture for having more than one wife. You will never read a “Thou shalt have only one wife” commandment in the Holy Bible; but I will challenge you to produce it all the same. Remember: GOD’s Moral Law does not change.

Bro Rufus – What is GOD’s Moral Law?

A.A. – I am surprised at you! You sir, being a pastor and a minister of the faith, asking me what GOD’s Moral Law is. Do you not know? Well then, to put it as briefly as possible, I suppose I would call it the LAW of LOVE. There is no greater love: For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Have you not read this scripture? Or do you imply that the love of GOD is immoral? What law can be greater than the love of GOD? What can be more moral than His love? What is the point to His Moral Law if He does not love us? His commandments are not grievous. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. He gave us His Moral Law because He loves us. Without the Old Testament, there would be no New Testament and without the New Testament, there would be no TRUE TESTAMENT. The New is concealed in the Old and the Old is revealed in the New; but the Word of GOD is all one. Jesus did not contradict His Moral Law. It is the same as it ever was, even from the beginning. That is why Jesus took those Pharisees back to the beginning when they cornered him.

Bro Rufus – “ ‘Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.’ Now it does not say wives, but wife!”

A.A. – Of course it does! They twain shall be one flesh, says the scripture. Now this is the most basic, fundamental example of marriage and it holds true every time it happens. Surely, you know that an ordinance of GOD does not hold true only now and then, but every time that it applies. So, every time that a man and a woman join in the flesh they also become one flesh — not just some of the time, but also EVERY TIME it happens. Jacob clave unto his wives (plural)… Moses clave unto his wives (plural)… Abraham clave unto his wives (plural) and each time that they clave unto each wife and joined in the flesh with each wife they did verily marry; but you cannot give me even one single scripture where GOD calls it a sin for a man to have more than one wife because it isn’t there. This scripture does not hardly refute what the LORD GOD plainly called wives (plural) but actually supports it to the extent that there are no exceptions to His Moral Law. In each and in every single case, GOD calls it one flesh in His holy word. This does not mean that all marriage is honourable, however. Many marriages are not godly. None of this refutes the fact that the Word of GOD called it “two wives” or even “fourteen”. Now what GOD called “wives” are indeed wives. GOD cannot lie and GOD’s Moral Law does not change. Therefore, you cannot truthfully say to me that it is wrong or sinful for me to have more than one wife and then, in the same breath, tell me that GOD’s Moral Law never changes. That would be utter hypocrisy; but you will also notice that in every case in the Bible where GOD refers to more than one wife of one husband He never once calls any of them harlots, or whores, or adulteresses, or fornicators, or men stealers, or any other thing that associates them with being sinful or committing a trespass. It isn’t there.

Bro Rufus – The Bible says that GOD winked at Israel’s sin for a time, but no more!

A.A. – It surely does. But you cannot truly lift that scripture out of context and attach it to whatever you, personally, deem to be sinful. Please read it in context and you will see what sin the LORD overlooked. It certainly wasn’t the blessing of more than one wife! I could declare that it is a sin to fast and pray. You could tell me to show you in the Bible where it says that and I could tell you that the Bible says GOD winked at the sin of Israel, but no more. This is precisely how much sense your circular logic makes. The sin of Israel was idolatry and idolatry is spiritual adultery. Israel wanted more than one Husbandman. They wanted “husbands” plural. That is why GOD gave Israel a bill of divorce! Israel played the harlot, says the scripture. Now that is not the same as the Husbandman having more than one wife! He has taken a new wife and has betrothed Himself to her. Her name is New Jerusalem. Now I am not jealous over my LORD and you should not be either. Alas, many today are jealous of Him and conjure great lies to limit the saints of GOD. There is room for me at the supper table too — even as there is room for righteous Abraham the bigamist and Jacob the polygamist, and Moses who also married more than one wife. Not one of these repented of having more than one wife and Jesus says they are saved. Remember now, GOD’s Moral Law does not change. I do not idolize my wives; I prefer to keep it in perspective: They are only women and I am only a man. GOD does not wink at this.

Bro Rufus – “Why then, did you marry your first wife with a license if it is wrong to do so? Were you tricked into marrying her?”

A.A. – Yes, I was tricked into marrying her by means of a filthy paper contract that even the Sodomites of this age endorse to call it all marriage. I repent of it. I wanted to honour the wife of my youth and I was told that this was the only way that I could. I was lied to by a well-meaning pastor who did not know what marriage in the Sight of GOD was. If you actually believe that marriage in the Sight of GOD must be accompanied by a writ of civil contract then you must also concede that every human being who married before 1923 is burning or going to burn in hell.

Bro Rufus – “Why do you say that?”

A.A. – Because, before 1923, marriage was the business of the Church and not the State. Some churches gave out certificates while others considered the names of the bride and the groom with the signatures of the parents and/or guardians undersigned by the minister who conducted the Wedding Ceremony and written in the family Bible to be sufficient. It was certainly sufficient in any court of law at the time because it contained the names and the signatures of the appropriate people and the attending minister; but that all changed when the secular government decided to make marriage the business of the State and play GOD. Now you see what sort of mess we are in with all this Gay and Lesbian marriage. It would never have been an issue if they had not rendered unto Caesar the things that are GOD’s. Back around 1876, shortly after the slaves were freed, some people in Louisiana became very concerned about something called miscegenation. In the State of Louisiana, they decided that anyone who married outside of their race must receive written permission from the State government to do so. Well, this caught on very well and they made much money from this exploit. So, back in 1923, the Federal Government then decided to establish the UNIFORM MARRIAGE LICENCE ACT, which became the UNIFORM MARRIAGE LICENSE AND DIVORCE ACT (due to a 600% increase in divorce after the first act) in 1929. They had the people coming and going. Divorce was easy and the paper was used to justify any marriage – even if it was contrary to the scripture. The Bible was no longer welcome in the courts of law as proof of marriage. The marriage license became little more than a LICENSE to DIVORCE. The lawyers became very wealthy with this.

Bro Rufus – “It is NOT a license to divorce!”

A.A. – Oh yeah? Just try getting a divorce without one. You cannot obtain a certificate of divorcement in this Country without producing a certificate of marriage, sir. I am telling you that it is a complete swindle. The licensing of marriage on paper is become little more than a licentious act on the part of the Sodomite, God-hating, secular government. You cannot get around this fact. They use it to make merchandise of the people and you know perfectly well that GOD condemns this because it is contrary to GOD’s Moral Law. In the beginning it was not so and the Churches of GOD should have no such custom; but the churches have made covenants with the deceiver!

Bro Rufus – “So you are saying that it is okay for a man to have more than one wife but it is a sin for a woman to marry more than one husband. Oh, man! You are just wrong!”

A.A. – What does GOD say? Does GOD say it is a sin for a man to have more than one wife? Read Romans Seven. Since you come at me with the law, I will answer you with the law. Paul answered to them that knew the law. The wife is bound to the law of her husband for as long as he lives, says the scripture. Please don’t tell me that the husband is bound to the law of the wife woman – that is absurd and it completely usurps the authority of the Husbandman. Rufus, are you trying to tell me that what is good for the gander is also good for the goose?

Bro Rufus – “Yes, I am.”

A.A. – Bro Rufus! After all these years, (nearly 20) I cannot believe my ears! All this talk about how men are not women and women are not men, how things that pertain to women do not pertain to men (and vice-versa), and here now you’re telling me what is good for the gander is good for the goose! Well then, I guess we should have women pastors teaching us too. And for good measure, they should be permitted to cut their hair and walk as a man and talk like a man, wear clothing that pertaineth unto a man and behave like men! While we are at it, men should also be permitted to wear their hair as long as they like and put on a nice, Sunday dress to attend church! A Pastor – telling me what is good for the gander is also good for the goose! I’m shocked! You can’t be serious.

Bro Rufus – “No, no. It is confusion!”

A.A. – Thou sayest.

Bro Rufus – Mr. Prince. I have to go. I am very busy. We will talk more about this later.

A.A. – As you wish, my friend. Please give Becky a visit. She wants you to visit her in the hospital. GOD bless you. I’ll be praying for you.

Bro Rufus – “Goodbye”.

[Bro Jake]

Praise His holy name! I know you are with me, Scott. One day I hope we will meet face-to-face and my prayers are with you and Tresa. I understand how the saints of GOD are made weary in battling the Harlot of Babylon but I already know Who won. I am prepared to martyr myself if need be, for the greater good. To GOD the glory! I know we all feel alone at times. Here in Canada, there are not so many people. I feel as though I have lost my pastor and that man walked very closely with GOD. I'm back to making my altar in my living room but I am used to it. I still have much to learn. Shiloh wakes up about every 2 hours for breast feeding and Rachel's hands are always full. I help with Abigail as best as I can. If I weren't home all the time I don't know what she would do. The LORD works in mysterious ways. Though my doctors have ordered me not to work, I find that the sort of work I do now is much more demanding than a regular 9-5 J.O.B. Yet it is my labour of love and when I stop writing I'm all out of sorts because I know that GOD has given me this charge. I cannot express how grateful I am for the support of people like you and Ronald. You have both given me much hope that my efforts are not in vain. This is very encouraging. Well, it's time for my evening walk. Sometimes I have my best conversations with my LORD when I walk through the woods in the evening. My sleep schedule is no longer set in stone. . . I just do what I can by the mercy and grace of my LORD and SAVIOUR.

GOD bless you

[Scott Ledbetter]

You are not alone. There are definitely times when it is easy to feel this way, but I want you to know that I will raise the banner with you and fight alongside of you and we know confidently that "the gates of hell shall not prevail" against us.We already have the victory.

[Bro Jake]

His Prophet1

Again, you hit the nail on the head. Your gift of being concise has not lost its edge. You have cut to the chase and told it like it is. Even as the MESSIAH referred those murderers to the BEGINNING, so you also point to the origin of man's woes. . . The worship of the flesh. Adam knew better, but Adam both loved and feared Eve. This is the sort of reverence godly men should have for the MESSIAH but it was inverted and perverted to suit the devices of the enemy; but in the beginning it was not so.

[Bro Jake]

understand. Sometimes I feel so alone; because of the scales having fallen from my eyes I now see what great attrocities have been committed in my Nation, many of them executed in the name of Christ. These Sodomites would rather have so-called "single mothers" all holding their hands out to their corrupt government for salvation than to allow fathers to be men and rule the household according to GOD's WORD. Should it be any surprise then, that these dogs use the paper writ of licensing (as one uses toilet paper) to sanction their dirty deeds? I think not. They hide behind the false covenant of the paper licensing and the sanctioning of licentiousness to wipe their sorry hinder parts, but they still stink to high heaven. They are not washed.They are verily unclean! They don't understand the difference between what satan sanctions and what YHWH sanctifies because they live for the world and the things that are in it. The world loves its own. They are compelled to sell children into bondage to the deceiver and are eager to go the broad way. The stench of Sodom rises up to meet the nostrils of the Almighty and soon it will be more tolerable for their predecessors than it will be for them in the Day of Judgment. What do they care for godliness? Just as they make merchandise of the people by means of paper money so do they also make a mockery of all that GOD calls holy and good. Modern christendom continually flounders in ignorance, thinking that Sodom is only about homosexuality. The bitter lesson of Sodom and her other sister cities is the price of wickedness of ALL KINDS — not only sexual perverion — but even history plainly teaches us that every civilization that reached the pinacle of corruption eventually turned to such deeds. Where is Egypt today? Where is Greece today? Where is Rome today? Yea, every dog surely has his day and thereafter the judgment. None of these are the great nations they once were. These are the hallmarks of a godless world. History repeats because the people are kept in ignorance and for a lack of knowledge GOD's people are destroyed! Children are their oppressors and women rule over them! The harlotries of Israel are yet to be purged from the face of the earth!

But take heart and look up. Salvation draws nigh to them whose hearts are toward Him. Set your face as flint against the enemy and be merciful to the ignorant. I was much the same as they were not long ago; but GOD opened my eyes to the horrors of my Nation and I greatly fear for the young men and young women in these latter days. Who will teach them the GOOD WAY? Who will reveal them the OLD PATHS? Who will lead them that they might walk therein instead of feeding the sheep half-baked truths and poison gourds? May JESUS have mercy on our souls. My prayer is that YHWH open the ears, the eyes, the hearts, and the understanding of our youth in this present day, that they might also see how they have been manipulated by the rulers of the darkness of this world, kept in the dark, where no TRUE LIGHT shineth.

AS FOR THE LAW...

Those who desire to learn the LAW of the LAND will never know it except they turn to the LIVING WORD and diligently seek HIS LAW. He owns a thousand cattle on a thousand hills and all the land is His. If all the land is the LORD's then from Whom does the LAW of the LAND proceed? There is not one law CONTRARY to GOD's LAW that qualifies for the LAW of the LAND because the LAW of the LAND is the LORD's!!! GOD does not contradict Himself and He does not contradict HIS LAW. If the New Testament contradicted the Old Testament then there would be NO TRUE TESTAMENT.

Please forgive me for "preaching to the choir" as it were. My hope that some of the readers whose hearts and minds have been clouded over with the shadows and lies of pastorial pontification receive a fresh breath of air. Let the RUACH of the ALMIGHTY blow away the dark clouds of legalism from their sorry souls and wake them from their slumber. One of the most pathetically kept secrets these minions of darkness strive to keep from the people is that what is LEGAL is not necessarily LAWFUL and what is LAWFUL is not necessarily LEGAL — but it should be. The legal beagles (another sort of dog) will not stand for it. They're making far too much money from the blood of the poor by inventing laws which are contrary to the LAW of the LAND (GOD's LAW) and polluting all the earth with their lies. The pastors sign covenants with these dogs that they might be licensed to sell licenses which PROMOTE licentiousness. They think they have a good deal going.

English is my native tongue so I will declare the words of JESUS in this language. JESUS said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The scribes and Pharisees of this age are still working for enemy and murdering the saints of GOD. Not much has changed since the prince of the power of the air arrived. The saints of GOD do not live UNDER the LAW. The saints of GOD do not live ABOVE the LAW. The saints of GOD do not live AROUND the LAW or BESIDE the LAW. The saints of GOD live IN the LAW and the LAW is written IN their hearts! All of the LAW and all of the Prophets are summed up in those TWO LAWS which Christ declared to the lawyers of his day and even these TWO are interdependant on one another; for it is impossible to honour one without the other. Every saint must cling to these TWO as one clings to the Horns of the Altar and to the ankles of the MESSIAH. The saints of GOD are NOT the workers of iniquity; but rather they ESTABLISH the LAW that was ESTABLISHED in their hearts by GOD! They are LAWFUL (not necessarily legal) and just like Paul and Silas they do not obey laws that are CONTRARY to GOD's MORAL LAW. This is why they were imprisoned! They were commanded of the magistrates NOT to teach in the name of Christ. It was the so-called "law of the land" and they broke that law. It was NOT the authentic LAW of the LAND which they broke, but only one more law of sin and death was cast into the fire to make way for the LAW of LOVE and the GOSPEL of GOD's GRACE. I know the sort of people you speak of, dee. They lift up the law when they think it suits their own devices and cast it to the ground when they judge it inappropriate and inconvenient to their secret agenda. BUT GOD knows the heart better than they do. JESUS said, "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten." Now this is NEW TESTAMENT LAW. These sorts would not know LOVE if it hit them over the head with a stick. Their minds are saturated in all this new age, warm-fuzzy, feel-goodism... It is anti-christ. They are powerless.

As it is written: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31

May GOD bless the reader in the knowledge of FULL BIBLE TRUTH

[Ronald A. Nelson]

Excellent teaching tool... The fact is that the Church today has strayed so far from the fundamentals of God's Word that they can't recognize the Truth when it is given to them. Instead they willingly enforce the laws of men over those of God... they join in with the secular world to chastise those who carry the Truth in their hearts and speak it with the clarity and power of the Spirit. They are without excuse... being, reprobate in the knowledge of the Lord.

I suspect that many Pastors who read this will be convicted of the Truth... but will choose as Adam did to serve his wife Eve... they fear women more than God. It's that simple.

God bless you Brother Brake... for your steadfastness in the Word.


Prophet.

[Scott Ledbetter]

Just remember, YHVH has been called sexist. That is why they had to come up with non sexist versions of the Bible such as the NRSV. So you being called a sexist puts you in good company. Modern Christians are like the Israelites where YHVH says of them, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy Elohim, I will also forget thy children." (Hosea 4:6)

People will read the Scripture, but they are wearing rose colored glasses so that only thee beauty in their eyes come through because the glasses hide all the truth, and blinders so that they can not be distracted by the truth. For centuries, the so called Christian churches corrupted words in Scripture like submission and submit to where it ecame a code word for "Do as I say or I will forcibly make you do as I say." This is why there are so many women today that when they hear those terms, they immediately close their minds to the truth because those words have been perverted. Modern Christians stand for nothing and fall for everything, because there is always an exception ot every rule,

Here is the USA, people like to claim that our country was founded upon the Gospel of Yeshua. However, this country was created on religious freedom, and had a built in clause that separated government from any religion. So from the very beginning, this government was not a government that followed YHVH, but one that separated itself from YHVH. That is why we have so many unrighteous laws. And all those that pledge allegiance to this country are pledging allegiance to a unScriptural government. And our ministers and pastors are teaching people to submit to all the laws of government. And who decides when we are not to submit to those laws? It is those same ministers and pastors that told us to submit to them, because there are exceptions to every rule.

Because Christians perverted the words of Scripture, it got women to turn to the secular governments for relief. And the secular governments were glad to jump in and meddle with the laws. And because the ministers and pastors had been teaching that we are to submit to all the laws of the government, now ther were more laws to be obeyed. Go look at the churches of today, and the larger they are, the more of the percentage you will find of people who have married, divorced, and remarried in those churches. The ministers and pastors say nothing to them/ The ministers and pastors, when they "marry" two people, say, "By the authority invested in my by __________", and you can place in there the name of the state, province, or territory that you live in. They are doing things under the wrong authority to begin with, but they are submitting to the laws of the land. And when the minister or pastor pronounces them man and wife, have they become one flesh already? Had they become one flesh before the pronouncement, or did they wait until after the minister or pastor said they were married to become one flesh?

So if a pastor pronouces a couple man and wife, what if the man had become flesh with multiple women prior to this? Does that mean that pastor unwittingly has just approved of Scriptural Bigamy? These ministers and pastors are so eager for a piece of paper that will burn when this earth does and could care less about what Yeshua says in Matthew 19, "What therefore YHVH hath joined together".(Mt 19:6) No, according to these ministers and pastors, they are the ones doing the joining together, all under the oversight of the government. It is because they believe that YHVH changes that they can claim all these additions to and subtractions from His Word. They can not admit that YHVH does not change, or else it opens up a can of worms for them, one where they lose power and control.

[Bro Jake]

Alas, I know this man and love him dearly. I attended his church. I know that homosexuals in his congregation would be unacceptable. He would not even baptize them except they repented of it first. That is why I was truly saddened by this recent conversation. I called him my pastor. I have known him for many years and because of him, my walk in YHVH was strengthened immensely. HOW ARE THE SAINTS FALLEN!!! It is so very sad. The scales have dropped from my eyes and I see the horrible damage done all around me as a result of a filthy government that likes to play GOD; but who will believe my resport? You, friend, are one of the precious few.

Why don't the pastors see that this is the higher standard? That men must take marital responsibility for all the women they conjugated in the flesh with? What excuses can the dogs present to the magistrates for rejecting their spouses and children and casting them to the streets if men are obligated to their duty of marriage with EVERY WOMAN they join to? Yea, this is verily the higher standard! But the IMMORAL, HELL BOUND, SECULAR GOVERNMENT is telling women that they can have all the benefits of marriage without maintaining commitment to the man they marry! Our secular government is generating harlots of our daughters faster than the pastors can pay attention! This, my friend, is a gross injustice. Disney lied. Dogs don't make it to heaven (at least not the two-legged variety). The term is gender neutral. I wouldn't want to be accused of being sexist, but clearly the adultress hunts for the precious life. One need not marvel at how the Great Harlot of Babylon acquired the authority to ride the BEAST of this existing establishment. The writing is on the wall.

[Scott Ledbetter]

Sadly, modern Christianity has created loopholes and doctrines foreign to Scripture all to suit their own beliefs. The speak with a forked tongue because they will tell you that you must obey the laws of the land, and then when those laws tell you to deny YHVH or even with, what it seems with this pastor, accept homosexuality, then they teach you that it is alright to disagree and disobey the laws of the land. The only thing that matters to them is keeping the party/denominational line, thereby insuring that they keep their power and money flowing in. Anyone or anything that disrupts or potentially disrupts that is to be stamped out. They do not want people to know Scripture or to have a brain, but they want brainless robots that they can control. They themselves do not know what Scripture says, so anyone who does is a threat to them.